Re: I have suspended new registrations

I have suspended new registrations for now. When things get back to normal and we weed out all the problem makers. I will reopen it.<p>Will

[Masherbrum]

What NOW?!

[Carter]

Hopefully this won''t have to last too long, but I for one am happy to see that you guys are actively working on this.

[zed]

I can''t believe people are being judged here by their username. As tasteless as Hitlers name may be freedom of speech doesn''t regulate bad taste. That definitely isn''t the only stupid name in this place. I don''t agree with this name, but I looked at this users only post and profile and I didn''t judge them for their name. Oh well that''s only my opinion and I''m sure I''ll be judged for it just like member #1972 was. Happy posting.

[Shawn]

Great idea Will. What can "we" do to help? As many members have already stated, why not refrain from adding to or even acknowledging these youthful outbursts of verbal diarrhea. <p>I was quite surprised several "members" have been allowed to make rude & sarcastic posts without once contributing anything of value (dealing with HT & audio). I agree with "Hot Monkey''s" feelings. Time to take a break & reflect on what it is we get out of reading & posting to this forum. Thought I''m quite new to this forum, I''ve had a subscription to Stereo Review since the mid 1960s. I''m glad my dad turned me on to "HiFi" and vinyl...<p>A day without music is a mistake! smile.gif border=0 <br />A great weekend to you all!

[h2lentino]

I think this is not a good idea. What''s next? Are you going to watch every new registration for their user names? How about their true locations? How about their occupations? Some members here have bogus locations (trying to be funny?) but it didn''t mean they are bogus persons.

[Shawn]

h2lentino: Suspending new registrations (a short term action) is similar to putting "curbs" on computer trading with the NYSE when the markets fluctuate too much in one direction. It just gives its members time to think before it overreacts. <p>The caliber of newer members is spoiling it for older members. And like other (expressed in other postings), I believe several older members may have taken up an alter ego screen persona to verbally chastise fellow members they dislike. <p>The positive interactions of the forum are being interfered with by creative/destructive individuals. I for one, am GLAD to see the posting of Pro-Life/Pro-Choice REMOVED. This is a forum for audiophiles. The World Series is one thing, but religion & politics is another.<p>I believe Will is just saying (correct me if I''m wrong) "Hey Guys - Let''s settle down & make this an enjoyable forum again." <p>I reviewed a posting in HT yesterday that a member pointed out that less than 40% of the postings had anything to do with the subject and questions. There was a lot of insulting remarks & childish comments made instead of either ignoring the posting or politely giving one''s opinion. (Maybe it was the full moon) <p>I''ve taken up reading old issues of Sound & Vision this weekend & hope to see the forum in a more positive light next week.

[h2lentino]

shawn, I could see your point. But the thing is, it will be impossible for the moderators to prevent old members from having multiple user names. They will just wait. And where do we draw the line? Is BOSE bashing offensive? I guess to a BOSE owner it is.

I agree with Hot Monkey. This nonsense has got to stop. This is a forum to discuss A/V and not a forum for fun or humor. I now offer the following suggestions:<p>(1) Do away with the just chat section of the forum. If people want to chat, talk to your friends.<p>(2) Promote Hot Monkey to moderator. I always agree with Hot Monkey and his judgment on topics ranging from A/V to Heavy Metal.<p>(3) Send every new member name and new post to Hot Monkey for his approval. If he likes it - keep it, if he doesn''t - censor it.<p>(4) Put some sort of notice on the home page that this site may contain potentially offensive material: adults only (or something like that).<p>(5) Prohibit any form of humor or sarcasm as we have seen this often leads to hurt feelings.<p><br />I hope some of these suggestions are implemented. I think we can have a good, wholesome A/V forum if we just follow some of these simple guidelines.<p>Jack<p>PS I will now change my name to John Doe in case any dog lovers feel that I am exploiting animals with my user name.

Poodle <br />Get Real!!!!

[Carter]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by zed:<br /><strong>As tasteless as Hitlers name may be freedom of speech doesn''t regulate bad taste.</strong><hr></blockquote><p> Not that you are wrong to defend freedom of speech, even if it invloves something related to someone as deplorable as Hitler, but "freedom of speech" protects us from the government only, not S&V or any other private entity. Not only is S&V well within its rights to sensor the content in this forum, I think they absolutely should do so if they believe it is in their best interest. <p> <blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by h2lentino:<br /><strong>And where do we draw the line? Is BOSE bashing offensive? I guess to a BOSE owner it is.</strong><hr></blockquote><p> With all due respect, and I mean that 100% sincerely, this is one of the oldest and lamest arguments in favor of not curbing offensive speech. Just because lines are hard to draw, and just because drawing them is necessarily an imperfect science, do not make the mistake of thinking that it is better to avoid drawing them.<p>< March 08, 2002: Message edited by: Carter ></p>

[The Ghost of Rod Serling]

John Doe aka Poodle: Enjoying your comical notes. wink.gif border=0 There''s nothing wrong with a little healthy sarcasm to grin at. But when members start (indirectly or directly) calling female members "broad" and "*****" that''s just plain rude.

[StartOver]

John Doe-<p>For once, Electro-Man and I agree. You need to get real! Not only are you out of touch with reality, some of your suggestions are ridiculous and totally undermine what any forum is supposed to be.<p>Eliminate humor?<br />Do away with a subject like Just Chat?<p>Yeah, you need to wake up, John Doe. As far as other points of view on this thread go, I may not agree with everything 100%, but I think we are all in accord on some key things. I strongly feel that nothing should be eliminated or censored and that this forum is a great and fun place.<p>The Bose example is not what I consider to be "offensive" in the way calling someone a name with a pejorative connotation. The Bose "offensive" is more along the lines of being crude or just having bad manners and is not anything like the things I think should be censored. As for calling Bose names, I wish people would NOT do it. However, I do think they''re entitled to their opinion, no matter how much or how little I agree with the manner in which it is expressed. <p>Last few points here. I realize that the membership thing is probably impossible to enforce, but as soon as I post this it is possible that they have already figured out a way. Therefore, whether it is or not, my plan is to ignore the nonsense and NOT let it interfere with the fun I always have in here. It is NEVER in my interest to enter an argument between others and interject "guys, that''s enough.." or "knock it off this is supposed to be about ....". Whether it is between 2 people, 5 people or whatever, if I am not involved I am not going to interject and stoop - in my opinion - to the same level by making value judgement on an argument or issue. THAT kind of commentary usually is more annoying to me than any topic I have ever seen people argue, no matter how trivial the topic or regardless how viscious the battle. Why make it worse or even get in on it? With the OBVIOUS exception of moderators, those who INSIST on being some kind of condescending a%^hole are the ones I really can live without, forum or in real life! Frankly, if it was a choice between the multi personality insult mavens or the "consescending authority figure and peacemaker", I''d GLADLY keep the multiple personality/profile people whose mission is to annoy in a flash.

ABC- smile.gif border=0 Monkey- good riddance.

hstern<br />Does this mean we are rid of you?

No, electro-man that is not what I meant, thanks for asking. What I meant to say was ABC - smile.gif border=0 and Hot Monkey - welcome back. <p>PS electro-man that wasn''t too polite when you asked are you rid of me, I might have to report you to the moderators.

I am a huge advocate for the first ammendment. Banning users and deleting post has always been very difficult for me to do...but some people just keep making it easier for me.<p>Just Chat is not going anywhere, if you don''t like it don''t read it, no one is going to test you on what is being posted there.<p>If you choose user names like HITLER, you are just asking to get banned from a this forum. <p>Can anyone give me one good reason why I have to allow that name to a user?<p>Humor is essential to these boards, it is rudeness, arrogance, insults that need more moderation. <p>To all of our new contributing members, I apologize for the chaos, this is far from the norm around here. These problems will be corrected Very Soon.<p>Please be patient.<p>Will

This subject is getting very annoying now. I have not seen so much user bashing like this before, on any forum. This is my favorite forum to visit, as I do it many times a day. Unfortunately wherever I go in here.. there''s someone always shooting their 2 cents worth, and deliberately trying to humiliate Hot Monkey, or other respected members of this forum.<p>Should the Administrator or Moderators screen users? Of course.. I am totally for this.. of course they shouldn''t get down to categories like "interests" "hobbies" .. but Username is very important. Especially lately, with all the immature comments and rudeness that has been going on around here. <p>The Just Chat should stay the way it is.. if you find a topic offensive.. then do not enter it. If the Topic is of no taste, and is definately bashing or being rude to a certain individual or gender.. then warn the user who has posted it.. or delete them. <p>I totally agree with the Monkey on the messages being posted are degrading in quality alittle. I am and everyone on this board new or old is to blame on this one. When a user is posting for advise or giving advise.. most of the topics are wondering off to something non irrelevant to the original post. So sometimes the original poster doesn''t even get the answer to his questions. <p>I just hope that everything works out for the better.. and even though we agree to disagree sometimes, we shouldn''t be rude about it. When everthing is back to normal... remember these messages are opinions.. therefore shouldn''t be taken out of context, where name calling and rudeness should lead us back to our current dilema.

[Carter]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Wi11:<br /><strong>If you choose user names like HITLER, you are just asking to get banned from a this forum. <br />...<br />Can anyone give me one good reason why I have to allow that name to a user?</strong><hr></blockquote><p> No, Will, nobody can give you a good answer to this. If S&V does not want offensive names (such as Hitler) to be used, that is a perfectly legitimate position to take, and preventing it does not impinge on anyone''s right to free speech. This is a private forum and therefore the right to free speech is irrelevant. In any case, the right to free speech is the right to speak, not the right to be heard. You are well within your rights to prevent these people from being heard in here. They can walk around and call themseleves Hitler, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson, Osama Bin Laden, etc., but we don''t have to listen and we don''t have to let them do it in this private forum. Anyone telling you that there is a right to free speech issue is dead wrong. <p> And don''t let people try to disuade you by suggesting that defining an improper name is difficult, if not impossible. So what if it is? Hitler, Christ, and immitation names like H0t Monkey, jstwrong, etc. are all good examples, and you will have to decide on a case by case basis. So be it. <p>Carter

I am not a wordsmith and I am perhaps assuming some risk here, but I would like to add a few cents of my own. I confess to having lurked here for months before deciding to become a member. This is my favorite board and I hold the opinions I read herein in high regard. Unlike some other boards, the vast majority of responses I see here are helpful and given in good faith. <br />I have just recently reacquired my love of music and I am actively pursuing a decent system so I can again enjoy what was once my favorite hobby. I owe that rebirth of interest to the members of this board. When I first found this board computers were my number one priority - but I found the members here to be genuinely passionate about their interests and, equally important, willing to share their knowledge, experience and yes, their prejudices. <br />That said, if I find a post offensive I don''t read it. But I also believe that members that choose to be purposefully offensive - either by choice of name or post content should be removed from the board or suspended at least.<br />Forgive my babbling on (am I still a member?), but I truly enjoy this board and I miss the interchange of ideas and knowledge that were its mainstay until very recently.<p>Whew! Bivar

Some members have been speaking of a declining quality of posts on this website. I disagree. Yes, I have seen some new members with names that might be offensive and a post or two in the "just chat" section that may not be appropriate for this forum. However, the quality of posts under the other headings are as fine as always. If I read a post that is off topic, rude, or offensive I do one of three things: (1) ignore it, (2) change the subject, or (3) respond positively. I feel the worst thing I could do is write an angry response, because this is the desired outcome. People who post in a negative manner are trying to elicit an angry reaction. This is what encourages such behavior. Sal

[StartOver]

Someone above mentions that they''re bored or annoyed with this topic. Well, the only thing I can say is "DON''T READ IT ANYMORE." Actually, I am amazed someone would be so annoyed with it as to contribute even more to it. <p>If it is truly annoying, WHY POST? This amazes me. You may be annoyed, but you''re intrigued! How else can you exaplain posting while annoyed or bored!<p>These are great discussions, I think. We may not all agree 100% with everything, but I think most of us do appreciate the opportunity to really discuss some of the basic issues that the administration faces and express our opinions.

[GreatDane]

I agree with some of the views from the above posters,no need to get in to that , but MY view is that if you feel that the topic is offensive, then STAY AWAY. I admit,I was the first person to respond to "that" topic, but I was''nt offended, I just feel very strongly about my position on that subject.I deleted my response because after thinking twice and reading what Masher had said,I decided that the responses that might follow could get out of hand, as I have seen in the past.<br /> I have faith in our administrator/ moderators to decide what topics are acceptable and hope that our members respond in a mature manner.<br /> I apologize for my somewhat aggressive response to that topic,for those who saw it.<p> <p> smile.gif border=0 <i>hope to see you posting again soon,Monkey</i><p>< March 09, 2002: Message edited by: Greatdane ></p>

[Masherbrum]

Hitler is the best user name that moron could come up with?! You think you are cool because you type some miscellaneous ramblings about abortion!? You are the true definition of a tool. I''ll move on to more important things now.<p>NOW, I agree 100% with Dane. Dane I had to respond and I have gone on the "If they like Bose and want Bose no matter what" bandwagon. If they feel that there isn''t anything better out there but them Bose. then I''m glad they have found a product they like!<p>I have been subject to Personal attacks, Larry Baker. Forum attacks, Mas_Bass. I will stick up for everyone here that posts here, WITHIN reason. I absorbed all attacks and bit back, and I will continue to do so in the future, or I''ll laugh at you and not reply! The choice is mine. <p>I agree with the Just Chat forum, I haven''t seen the Hitler post but I could imagine the immaturity flowing in that one. What happened is simply what I have been trying to address, a sudden wave of childish antics trying to get the attention of others, that their mommy and daddy never gave them. <p>Monkey I agree with your decision, as others do. You are the "original post whore"(said with the utmost respect sir!) tongue.gif border=0 . I love your humor, sarcasm, and the off key responses. Monkey, you and ABC remind me how I am, and love it. All three of us have had storied pasts, and I hope are considered friends now, or close to it! I will miss your input Monkey, but come back with a clean head, having ridden your brain of the antics of clueless people.<p>I know I have a "good reputation" in here. Ha. I know there are many out there that can care less about my stance on this, but all of us need to address this stupid issue and come to a sensible solution. Keep the audio questions and knowledge coming! THAT is what WE are HERE FOR!!!!!!!!!!! <p>I had to say all of this for the troublemakers. The only thing you will be accomplishing is that my ignore list may get longer and hope other''s are as well!<p><br />Masher<p>PS - THIS IS MY ONLY POST FOR THIS, Slam me, agree with, I DON''T CARE. This is a quality forum and idiots are ruining it for everyone. Sorry but sometimes the truth hurts and they don''t want to hear it.<p>< March 09, 2002: Message edited by: Masherbrum ></p>

[StartOver]

and another thing.........

Everyone-<p>I was responsible for the post on abortion. The post simply asked, "Are you pro-life or pro-choice?", that is all. "Hitler" was not involved, and no offensive language was used in my post or subsequent posts. Administration felt that the topic itself would lead to hurt feelings. I understand this now and I believe that the administration was right to delete the post. I was not trying to start trouble. I foolishly thought that it would lead to an interesting discussion, but I chose the wrong forum. Also, I read the lone "Hitler" post. In the guy''s profile he says he is a truck driver from the USA and his personal quote is "live and let live". In his post, he attempted to politely give someone advice who was having trouble with their Bose bass cube. The problem is with his name only, not what he had written. I think this is where the major problem comes into play. A moderator saw a name like Hitler being used by a member, but saw that the advice "Hitler" gave was genuine. It would''ve been an easy call if "Hitler" were to go on some profanity laced rant. So the way I see it, new registrations were closed because someone registered under the name Hitler, someone registered under the name Christ, and I attempted to discuss abortion (and some members complained). I believe it was the right decision, I wanted to let you know why the decision was made. I will be more careful with the topics I chose to discuss in the future. I am sorry for having hurt anyone''s feelings. Tricia

Do not mistake arrogance for knowledge. tongue.gif border=0

[mzpro5]

''Nuff said.

[zed]

Where do we draw the line at which names are allowed and which names are not? Let''s say for instance my name happened to be Osama would I not be able to register my name in here? Or maybe more realistic how about Charles Manson that could be a common name would I be able to register my name in here? Some people are unfortunately born with a offensive (in some peoples eyes) name. I''m not saying that Hitler was this guys name, what I''m saying is what if it was his name and through no fault of his own he is being discriminated for it. Try to put yourself in their shoes and live a life with the name they were given. There''s always two sides to the coin I''m just trying to see both of them.

Zed,<p>Your point is well taken. I met a man in California whose last name is Hitler. I asked him point blank "what is it like to have that last name?" He told me that he has thought about changing his name, but his dad had died early in his life and he would keep it as a tribute. He now works as a taxi driver (nothing wrong with that), but he is college educated and has never been called in for an interview because it says "Hitler" at the top of his resume. A person named Usama just bought a house in my neighborhood. At first, I made the usual stupid wise cracks until I realized he didn''t choose this name, nor did his parents know what it would grow to represent. Bottom line: If someone is offended by a member''s name in this forum they can always alert the Administration, and let the Administration decide what they feel is acceptable. I, personally, will never get offended by a name or anything that is written in this forum (even if it were an attack against me or my family). But that is just me. I would read it and then dismiss it. That is what makes this forum great. We are all different. Sal.<p>PS This forum is the best A/V forum on the web.

[Husker]

Although my name is not the strangest or the most offensive unless you''re into rice burners (Suzukis, Kawasaki''s, Yamaha''s etc.) I still get funny looks from people when I tell them my real name <b>Harley</b> or I get asked the same question over and over again <b>Like the motorcycle?</b><p>What does this reply have to do with anything?<p>I don''t know, can any of you figure it out?<p>Hey Monkey I know you are reading this and it seems that you have some chimpanzees that lookup to you for guidance in this jungle of a hobby a.k.a. Audio/Vision, I hope your head doesn''t get to big from all of the accolades, you need to keep focused on your obvious wealth of Audio/Vision knowledge and share it with us.<p>If you don''t jump on the nearest Vine and swing back into action, then I''m going to start posting all kinds of questions about <b>NASCAR</b> and I know you will not be able to resist posting something funny about your favorite sport!<p>Left turn<br />Left turn<br />Left turn<br />Left turn<br />Left turn<br />Left turn<br />Pit stop<br />Left turn<br />Left turn<br />Left turn<p>Harley

Husker,<p>I am not trying to start trouble, however you might not want to use racist language in this site especially under a topic about suspending registrations because of insensitive remarks. Out of respect for a brilliant man who helps make this site the best on the web, I am asking you to delete the remark. Sorry if I sound preachy, but just because a word or phrase has found its way into everyday speech it doesn''t mean it is not offensive. John

[Carter]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by John Doe:<br /><strong>Husker,<p>I am not trying to start trouble, however you might not want to use racist language in this site especially under a topic about suspending registrations because of insensitive remarks. Out of respect for a brilliant man who helps make this site the best on the web, I am asking you to delete the remark. Sorry if I sound preachy, but just because a word or phrase has found its way into everyday speech it doesn''t mean it is not offensive. John</strong><hr></blockquote><p>John,<br />Since you are clearly someone who is well trained in the art of sarcasm, I think you will understand just what I mean when I say that your contributions to these discussions continute to be truly invaluable.<br />Sincerely, <br />Carter

Carter,<p>My prior post did not include any sarcasm. Are racist comments more acceptable than sarcastic comments? Do you find terms like "rice burner" to be acceptable in this forum? You must, because you felt the need to belittle me and ignore the racism.

John Doe AKA: Poodle<br />What is your reason for being in this forum? You have had not one discussion that didn''t involve conflict. It is obvious that you don''t care for A/V at all. If I am wrong then lets see some posts on the topics this forum was created for. This problem will never resolve itself if this type of trash keeps up. Maybe that is your goal.

electro-<p>I am a novice when it comes to A/V, however I am learning. I learn a lot from this site and I do not post under the "serious" sections because I feel I have nothing to contribute - yet. However, I will post in the "just chat" or "site discussion" sections especially when I read that someone has made an insensitive comment. I understand that it is easier to attack me, dismiss me, and discredit me, but that does not erase the racist comment under this heading.

Then if you have nothing to contribute...then sit back and learn.

[Husker]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by John Doe:<br /><strong>Husker,<p>I am not trying to start trouble, however you might not want to use racist language in this site especially under a topic about suspending registrations because of insensitive remarks. Out of respect for a brilliant man who helps make this site the best on the web, I am asking you to delete the remark. Sorry if I sound preachy, but just because a word or phrase has found its way into everyday speech it doesn''t mean it is not offensive. John</strong><hr></blockquote><p><br />John Doe<br /> <br />I didn''t know motorcycles had feelings, the term rice burners is a reference to the origin of the manufacture.<p>Now if I wanted to make a so-called racist comment about the Japanese, believe me there are a lot of phrases none of which I will use.<p>Have you heard the phrase: "Muscle Cars or Detroit Muscle" well it describes American (Chevy, Ford, Dodge/Plymouth) cars and I suppose in your mind this is also racist language.<p>If others here think that I meant this as a racist comment, then I will delete it.

John-<p>I have read the post you are talking about, and you do have a point. My suggestion would be if you find a post offensive, send a private message to the person who wrote it. When you question it for all to read, it comes off looking like you are trying to stir the pot.<p>After I posted this, I realized I should butt out. Please ignore this post.<p>< March 10, 2002: Message edited by: Dr. Saline ></p>

Nothing against the poster, but I think the term in question is in bad taste. In a diverse forum such as this, we need to be as P.C. as possible. I already learned the hard way. Tricia

[Masherbrum]

F P.C. the problem started with an Abortion topic in an A/V forum. That is like Nell Carter at a Weight Watchers Clinic! I bet that''s racist huh? How about Mama Cass at the same? Just drop it and move on, the term RiceBurner is the same as a "crotch rocket" and I do not even own a motorcycle! It is NOT racist AT ALL, my brother is Vietnamese and I am not, and HE uses it. Husker back me up on this one will you? All Harley owners do NOT like "crotch rockets" and vice versa. It is the same as a Ford/Chevy debate. Grow up already. Everyone here can blame someone for some Chicken.uh.hmm thing. Move on and post something worthwhile pertaining to A/V.<p>Instead of griping about posting in the "Just Chat!" Realize the forum THIS is in, it is not in "Just Chat!"Stop this finger pointing.<p>Masher

[Husker]

Masher You are 100% correct.<p>I''ve had enough of the incredible BS that is taking place by a few, throughout this forum.<p>Although I won''t be missed I will miss the way it was before this site became infected.<p>As for the reference "Rice Burner" I apologize to those of you who think it is racist, I''ve never heard anyone say to a Japanese or any Asian your a "Rice Burner" or he''s a "Rice Burner" I thought it was nothing more than a phrase meaning made in Japan and if that is supposed to mean it is bad then I suggest you take a look at the new Harley-Davidson motorcycle, I''m talking about the one built to compete for market share with "Rice Burners" it is a complete turnaround from the traditional Harley but they realize that the Japanese build excellent everything.<p>Have you ever been shopping for a portable radio and a salesman calls it an awesome Ghetto Blaster, what does that mean? Is it a racist comment?<p>Why do people call one form of really cool looking customized cars "Low Riders" is it also a racist comment?<p>I could go on about slang or nicknames that are hung on non-living things but it is obvious there are people who only want to interpret things the wrong way.<p><b>GOODBYE</b><p>< March 10, 2002: Message edited by: Husker ></p>

Husker-<p>Let''s just agree to disagree. It is not right for you to make a negative blanket statement about this forum when your beef is with me. I will drop it and move on. Please reconsider leaving. (i.e don''t leave!) John<p>< March 10, 2002: Message edited by: John Doe ></p>

[Carter]

John Doe, you could not be more incorrect. <p> Japanese cars are sometimes referred to as "rice burners" because they are extremely fuel efficient, i.e. they could run on rice (a food many Americans believe is a favored food in Japan -- although I don''t know if that is the case because I have never been there). <p> If anything, the phrase is a recognition of their fuel efficient design, not a derogatory comment aimed at Japanese people. In the same way, American cars and trucks have historically been known as "gas hogs." Neither term is derogatory, and both refer to the car''s fuel efficiency, or lack thereof.<p> And by the way, if you weren''t trying to be sarcastic, you sure sounded that way to me. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I retract my comment. However, it is hard for me to believe that you, someone who has contributed all of 9 times (and mostly in this discussion), are all of a sudden going to run around and act as a pseudo moderator with any purpose other than stirring the pot. <p>Carter<p>< March 10, 2002: Message edited by: Carter ></p>

Carter-<p>I found the tone of your last post to be positive. I am not trying to cause problems, and I appreciate the way you expressed your point of view. Consider the subject dropped on my end. John

Tis a shame what this forum has become in only a matter of a few days...<br />Many folks out there (myself included) have utilized this forum as a primary means of gathering up to date information on the A/V world. You already know how upset many members are with the sudden racism/name calling/offensive battle that appears to have taken over this forum. The bickering will cease, and only because people will eventually get either tired of trying to argue their point, or be flat out too offended to want to come back and deal with it. The dedicated ones who truly care about A/V and helping people out with a suggestion here and there will prevail, primarily because they have the support of each other. Many valid points have been made concerning a racist remark here and there, or discussing off the wall topics. <p>My opinion...if you want to get rid of the off the wall topics, then you have to remove the "Just Chat" section all together. Bottom line...if you want the added responsibility of having to monitor every topic ensuring that it has no offensive material etc...then by all means go for it. But please do not let this wonderful forum suffer for it... wink.gif border=0

abcii: I believe you were refering to me on the annoyed and bored topic. Please let me know where in my posts does it say that I am annoyed and bored on topics like this. I stated that I was annoyed on "this" subject, and went on refering to user bashing.

[Carter]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by John Doe:<br /><strong>Carter-<p>I found the tone of your last post to be positive. I am not trying to cause problems, and I appreciate the way you expressed your point of view. Consider the subject dropped on my end. John</strong><hr></blockquote><p> Fair enough, JD. ''tis dropped.

[zed]

I would appreciate it if people would not refer to A/V topics on this forum. This this is the general discussion area. If your topic is not related to general discussion I would ask that you please refrain from posting it in here... Wow I''m really getting the hang of this sarcasm thing. Seriously I just want to say that if you only want to discuss A/V related subjects then you shouldn''t be in here or the just chat area they are what they say they are. It doesn''t say general a/v discussion or just chat about a/v. If I don''t want to watch a show on TV I change the channel I don''t try to convince someone that the show is inapropriate for viewing. Although I don''t own the TV network so I guess Wi11 will decide what programs we watch or not and that is his right.

[Masherbrum]

I''m thoroughly impressed that you are getting the hang of it. <p>Masher

This got way off subject.<p>CLOSED!